[image] What steps should the Julia community take to bring Julia to the next level of popularity? Besides that, I think there’s just a refusal to accept that the Julia ecosystem often fixates on the wrong things. The Julia community is perfectionist when it comes to design, but not when it comes…

On the main topic, I agree with @oxinabox , I don’t think we can envision that things are going to slow down in the near future. I suspect the next LTS won’t have static compilation, won’t have everything the AD engines need, won’t have finished moving the stdlibs out into upgradable packages, will h…

I feel like the issue here is the use of compiler internals. They’re called internals for a reason, and that’s a big reason Zygote is a broken, buggy mess. Either we need to create a clear, public interface that won’t break from update to update and is enough for Enzyme/Zygote/Diffractor to rely on …

[image] DNF: No, every new version intruduces new features, True! I certainly overstated there. [image] adienes: I think your analogy might have the comparison backwards. Yeah, that’s probably true for some of the specific cases here. But it still likely caused a compatibility issue f…

[image] ParadaCarleton: public interface that won’t break from update to update and is enough for Enzyme/Zygote/Diffractor to rely on How long would it take Julia to include all the necessary mechanics for those libraries?

[image] mihalybaci: As a comparison, over the course of Python 3.x, different ways to to string interpolation were added as features, including f-strings in 3.6. So if I wrote a package for Python 3.11 with the following lines x = 1 print(f"x = {x}") Then my package would break for all users s…

[image] bilderbuchi: If you are not using the packaging metadata correctly (e.g. by using 3.6+ features, but not giving the correct Requires-Python entry) then :person_shrugging: there’s not much the package manager can do, and I guess this is true for Python as well as Julia? This is my larg…

[image] What lessons could Julia's autodiff ecosystem learn from Stan's TinyGrad? 5M isn’t so much from an organizational perspective Turing.jl was built off of <$100k… I can’t even imagine what I could do with $5M. That’s more than Stan got for sure.

I have no idea and I think that’s a major part of the problem. Only a very small number of Julia devs (2-4 maybe) know what kind of deep internals Zygote relies on.

@mihlybaci what you are getting at is spot on, Julia does take non-breaking releases and semver more seriously. I wrote my first package for Julia something like 5 years ago and have barely changed it since. Its heavy on macro use and touched some internals to return the right line number nodes. S…

Enzyme really doesn’t have a big need for Julia compiler features. We still support Julia 1.6 (and beyond). The excecption to that is that I’ve found bugs in Julia’s garbage collector that I’ve upstreamed to Julia which are only available on the later versions. What we do there is we work around th…

[image] xiaoxi: Would it make more sense to slow down Julia releases after an LTS that includes most of the machinery needed for those cutting-edge AD libraries? As someone working in this space. Such a version doesn’t exist and cannot exist. Because There will be a new ideas for how to d…

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Turing.jl was built off of <$100k… I can’t even imagine what I could do with $5M. That’s more than Stan got for sure.

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