# Will there be any need for this forum? (It is not about this forum. Read on.)

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**Created:** [September 10, 2026, 1:15pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333 "2026-09-10T13:15:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2026, 6:50pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/122 "2026-09-30T18:50:36Z")

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I have a feeling you are misunderstanding what the Nature paper was about. It is not a proof of AGI (it is not trying to be a proof). Not the least because there is no definition of intelligence that people can agree upon. As the authors also discuss, by the way. The paper is speculative, so your concerns about the “qualitative arguments” is a non sequitur (to use your words).

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2026, 6:54pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/123 "2026-09-30T18:54:49Z")

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By the way, good news: We should stop worrying about AI, as that is not a thing. Says the man who should take a Turing test to try to prove he is in possession of human-level intelligence.

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**Author:** ![mbauman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mbauman/32/31082_2.png) [@mbauman](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mbauman)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2026, 9:13pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/124 "2026-09-30T21:13:14Z")

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For what it’s worth, that article from February. My biggest critique of it is that it holds up attacks against LLMs and then “defeats” them with counter-examples that _are not just LLMs_. They’re complicated multi-modal systems with harnesses to iteratively _try lots of things_. Yeah, that’s a little pedantic, but it’s an important bit of pedantry in my opinion because it perfectly explains the things they’re good at.

In fact, I’d say that — in the language of the article — it’s the harness that is granting the LLM “the body.”

> **They don’t have bodies.** Without embodiment, critics argue, there can be no general intelligence. This reflects an anthropocentric bias that seems to be wielded only against AI.

Somewhat tellingly, it’s this “embodiment” with a harness _that actually does cause effects_ that’s the dangerous part.

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**Author:** ![gwr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/gwr/32/33632_2.png) [@gwr](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/gwr)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2026, 2:09pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/125 "2026-10-01T14:09:46Z")

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> [@mihalybaci](#):
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> Human intelligence also means saying “I don’t know” sometimes. LLM’s will always confidently give a wrong answer, because that is what they are designed to do.

Daniel Kahneman (RIP) would likely have smiled a bit at that kind of statement – at least he would have added that the [overconfidence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect) typically found in many humans would accordingly underline the scarcity of high intelligence.

I used to do some estimator calibration exercises using trivia questions and tried some with ChatGPT, instructing it to not look up answers on the internet. It was instructed to provide 99,54% and 90% credibility interval estimates and a best guess (0-1-loss function so pretty much the mode of a prior). It had all approximate 100% intervals correct and failed on 2 out of 10 of the 90% intervals. But it seems that, while the AI has a sense of uncertainty, it is typically [rather overconfident](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.02917) as well.

Maybe AI need to be calibrated as estimators in the same way humans do?

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [October 1, 2026, 8:16pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/126 "2026-10-01T20:16:33Z")

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> **[Forget ‘superintelligence’: error-prone AI nearly sparked world war three...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/oct/01/forget-superintelligence-error-prone-ai-nearly-sparked-world-war-iii-this-month)**
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> The risks of AI aren’t what we think they are, as a recent security incident between China and the United States reveals

Super stupid.

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 1:47pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/127 "2026-10-02T13:47:36Z")

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As if there were not enough stupid people already: [Will A.I. Make Your Brain Lazy? - The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/09/29/magazine/ai-chatbots-brain-development-study.html?unlocked_article_code=1.FlE.nUmE.OZxVGnrsVYD8&smid=url-share)  
We have to try to use AI intelligently…

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2026, 1:02pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/128 "2026-10-13T13:02:28Z")

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> **[AI godfather Geoffrey Hinton: Trump is ‘corrupt, senile felon’ who knows...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/13/geoffrey-hinton-trump-ai-tech?CMP=GTUS_email)**
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> Pioneering computer scientist on why Trump is using ‘superintelligence’ wrong, whether AI could wipe out humanity – and how our biggest challenge will be accepting we’re not the only intelligent beings

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**Author:** ![rafael.guerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/rafael.guerra/32/216610_2.png) [@rafael.guerra](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/rafael.guerra)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2026, 2:09pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/129 "2026-10-13T14:09:44Z")

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A wise person is never quite sure how smart he is. A fool is certain, and makes sure you know it.

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2026, 7:38pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/130 "2026-10-14T19:38:18Z")

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The US government is apparently working with Russia (!?) to make sure no restrictions are put in place to prevent access of AI tools to the military’s weapons. One of those provisions is that humans should not be required to review the AI-identified targets.

That sounds like a great idea, don’t it?

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**Author:** ![rafael.guerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/rafael.guerra/32/216610_2.png) [@rafael.guerra](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/rafael.guerra)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/131 "2026-10-14T20:07:43Z")

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Both military superpowers share a fundamental hostility toward United Nations dictating their behaviors. On the US side, the position is deeply aligned with the philosophy of the sinister Palantir Technologies.

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