# Will there be any need for this forum? (It is not about this forum. Read on.)

**URL:** <https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333>\
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**Created:** [September 10, 2026, 1:15pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333 "2026-09-10T13:15:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![anon28281882](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ab992/32.png) [@anon28281882](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/anon28281882)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 12:26pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/21 "2026-09-12T12:26:25Z")

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Off topic: Ronny, do you know what was actually achieved by those, as I understand, competing teams of researchers? What does it mean that the “equations were blown up”? Does that mean the equations themselves are wrong? If so, did any of those teams propose new, more accurate equations? How important are the Navier-Stokes equations in practice? I wonder, are they used in numerical weather prediction models or sailing?

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 2:18pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/22 "2026-09-12T14:18:30Z")

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> [@madppiper](#):
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> that just this week openai released the solution to no other than a century math problem

The cost to jump off from the (stolen?) prior knowledge to a solution  
is estimated between $10M and $40M. Cheap?

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**Author:** ![madppiper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/madppiper/32/220029_2.png) [@madppiper](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/madppiper)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 2:30pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/23 "2026-09-12T14:30:06Z")

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Like I said, I have no doubt in my mind that it is very likely stolen. However, i also think that people will jump at the opportunity to be the first to achieve this with the help of AI

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**Author:** ![anon28281882](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ab992/32.png) [@anon28281882](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/anon28281882)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 2:42pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/24 "2026-09-12T14:42:20Z")

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I don’t know. It looks like a structural change. Highly polarizing.

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**Author:** ![Fourier](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/fourier/32/38176_2.png) [@Fourier](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Fourier)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 3:10pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/25 "2026-09-12T15:10:01Z")

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I think people have opinions about which packages to use, the long term vision of the ecosystem and how julia and its packages are developed and will be developed. They can incoperate feedback from others and take responsibility for developing packages. These are things that AI agents can not do.  
The forum is useful because of these things. Particularily since I value human opinion more than an AI chatbot that tells me everything I do is good.

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**Author:** ![harvestdeparture729](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f14d63/32.png) [@harvestdeparture729](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/harvestdeparture729)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/26 "2026-09-12T16:02:55Z")

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> [@PetrKryslUCSD](#):
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> We are arguing here about whether to allow posts of AI-generated content or not. If the predictions of the release of sovereign agents come to pass, these deliberations will be moot. There will be no need for humans anymore.
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> Check out [We have started losing control of AI. It’s time to shut it down | Garrison Lovely | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/sep/10/ai-control-sci-fi) if you don’t know what I am talking about.
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> Edit: Another just-posted article [Why some experts increasingly fear AI will take over](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74edv9887eo)

Have you spent any time considering that the vast, vast majority of ai-doom proclaimers have or have had substantial financial incentives to make such proclamations, even if some are true believers?

Are you aware that current AI/AGI doom/god “fears” are almost all the intellectual descendants of Eliezer Yudkowsky, a bad fanfiction writer with extremely little technical knowledge (who started a harmful cult in the Bay Area)?

Sure, the chatbot can do some CI commits when you get hundreds of thousands of dollars of free compute from companies who can’t make money. And it only took several trillion dollars of investment!

The “research” on this topic tends to be a link to something on ArXiv that’s still just speculative fanfiction being used as a marketing “whitepaper” by a company like Anthropic.

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 4:04pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/27 "2026-09-12T16:04:56Z")

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OK, I might have misdirected your attention with mentioning this forum. My point was: let us not waste our time with inconsequential matters. Let us focus on the threat that AI represents for society at large. Self-sovereign agents (ie. in control of their model parameters) are an immediate danger. We each need to consider whether we are doing enough to preserve human control of the technology. And when I say human, I don’t mean that OpenAI, Anthropic, and others of their ilk should be in control. Same as for nuclear weapons, but stricter – consider how easy it is to walk away with a nuclear armed weapon compared to releasing an AI agent capable of the same destruction.

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**Author:** ![harvestdeparture729](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f14d63/32.png) [@harvestdeparture729](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/harvestdeparture729)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 4:54pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/28 "2026-09-12T16:54:49Z")

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> [@PetrKryslUCSD](#):
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> Same as for nuclear weapons, but stricter – consider how easy it is to walk away with a nuclear armed weapon compared to releasing an AI agent capable of the same destruction.

This is just wildly divorced from any empirical reality. The chatbot is not a nuke. The harms of LLMs are best discussed in terms of the material aspects of their geopolitical, socioeconomic, and socio-political embedding in the world.

The most “nuclear” danger they pose is if incompetent leaders thoughtlessly give chatbots increased control over military systems, where they are already widely used in responsibility laundering. That said, their role in kill chains is ultimately mostly the latter / manufacturing desired “enemies”.

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 5:45pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/29 "2026-09-12T17:45:00Z")

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Hmm, I am not a terrorist and I can think of at least 10 different ways of causing a global calamity employing autonomous agents. One: AI is in control of the data that the human operator of a nuclear weapon sees. Then, AI manipulates the data to convince the human that it is high time to push the button.

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**Author:** ![rafael.guerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/rafael.guerra/32/216610_2.png) [@rafael.guerra](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/rafael.guerra)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 6:35pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/30 "2026-09-12T18:35:04Z")

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> [@harvestdeparture729](#):
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> Have you spent any time considering that the vast, vast majority of ai-doom proclaimers have or have had substantial financial incentives to make such proclamations, even if some are true believers?

This is certainly not the case for Geoffrey Hinton, the godfather of AI, whose opinion should carry some weight.

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**Author:** ![anon28281882](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ab992/32.png) [@anon28281882](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/anon28281882)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 6:58pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/31 "2026-09-12T18:58:52Z")

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I’m much more optimistic than you @PetrKryslUCSD. I think that it (AI TECHNOLOGY) will only get better and better, higher specialization, much better reliability. It might also get (much more) regulated.

At the same time, I think that if we don’t act, I’m afraid the gap between Julia and other languages will only grow, and at some point, it might be very difficult to catch up.

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**Author:** ![anon28281882](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ab992/32.png) [@anon28281882](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/anon28281882)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 9:00pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/32 "2026-09-12T21:00:53Z")

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**Author:** ![Benny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/49beb7/32.png) [@Benny](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Benny)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 10:46pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/33 "2026-09-12T22:46:24Z")

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> [@harvestdeparture729](#):
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> The most “nuclear” danger they pose is if incompetent leaders thoughtlessly give chatbots increased control over military systems, where they are already widely used in responsibility laundering.

As part of my belief that AI is overused with sparse guardrails and fallbacks, I also hope the various nuclear-armed nations do not try to reenact Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker on any level.

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 12:55am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/34 "2026-09-13T00:55:00Z")

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> [@madppiper](#):
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> It opens up knowledge and capabilities to everyone. It cheapens everything they produce. It is cheaper as a tool to use than hiring researchers.

Here is another data point: [Science Magazine - AI in scientific publishing: Slower, worse, and more expensive](https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/library/item/16_july_2026/4352932/)  
It states the exact opposite.

_If the scientific community fails to address the influence of AI, then authentic research and validated findings will slow down to an expensive trickle into established knowledge, and the opportunities for flawed or fabricated information to be seen as reality will grow—all while AI profiteers cash in._

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**Author:** ![mahmah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mahmah/32/214326_2.png) [@mahmah](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mahmah)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 6:01am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/35 "2026-09-13T06:01:25Z")

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Thanks for the interesting discussion. Maybe it would be more helpful to pay some more attention to conversation etiquette. “Nonsense”, “truth”, etc are words that can easily end up polarizing a discussion. I would suggest to avoid using them. I guess that we are not looking for a football match here.

Same goes for the title of the thread, which happens to be a polar question. Maybe we could approach these issues in a less provocative way?

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**Author:** ![rafael.guerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/rafael.guerra/32/216610_2.png) [@rafael.guerra](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/rafael.guerra)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 9:41am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/36 "2026-09-13T09:41:23Z")

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> [@mahmah](#):
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> “Nonsense”, “truth”, etc are words that can easily end up polarizing a discussion.

Critical and spirited thinking is precisely what distinguishes humans from machines. Without it, we might only have bland and boring discussions, like AI.

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**Author:** ![mahmah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mahmah/32/214326_2.png) [@mahmah](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mahmah)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 2:51pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/37 "2026-09-13T14:51:10Z")

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Sure, but at the same time it’s nice when people don’t get tired and leave this forum etc.

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 4:04pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/will-there-be-any-need-for-this-forum-it-is-not-about-this-forum-read-on/139333/38 "2026-09-13T16:04:32Z")

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Another possibility to cause global havoc: [Anthropic blocks possible attempt to use AI to make biological weapons](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2zrrpkx20o)

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**Author:** ![PetrKryslUCSD](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/petrkryslucsd/32/215825_2.png) [@PetrKryslUCSD](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/PetrKryslUCSD)\
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> [@mahmah](#):
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> Same goes for the title of the thread, which happens to be a polar question.

How is that a “polar question”? It isn’t a yes/no, is it?

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**Author:** ![rafael.guerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/rafael.guerra/32/216610_2.png) [@rafael.guerra](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/rafael.guerra)\
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A Y/N question is the linguists’ definition of a polar question; the physicists’ is more insightful: one that can be turned in all directions without going anywhere.

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