The release of Julia 2.0 could spark additional interest in the Julia community and thus, provide a unique opportunity to promote Julia. What steps should the Julia community take from now until the release of Julia 2.0 to bring Julia to the next level of popularity?

Exactly. It seems to me that things are actually going fine. We just need to keep that moving. Julia is almost entirely built on pull requests to base and packages. Code, docs whatever: PRs are where things actually happen and real decisions and changes are made. Not in these threads. So improving…

[image] xiaoxi: I hope the Julia community can revisit the topic of this thread I would not worry about this. A variation of this thread seems to happen every month or so.

[image] rdavis120: would prefer to require registered packages to have every exported function and the corresponding arguments and return type to be documented I agree, but this is hard to automate. You can keep an eye on #new-packages-feed on Slack (or Zulip) and leave a blocking comment on …

If I might make a few final constructive comments before this gets closed, I do think we need a “clearer” ecosystem for users. As I’ve come to understand Julia, it tries to have a minimal standard library with only some basic packages likely to have fairly broad applicability. For example, the Lin…

[image] dlakelan: I sort of do a fair amount of this too. And it doesn’t feel that difficult. I think this is another very big problem to getting new users to adopt Julia–the difficulty in recognizing the importance of defaults and informational constraints. Among experienced Julia devs, th…

coincidentally enough, I disagree with your preference about the right choice of default as well as with your characterization of the opposition to that choice for each and every item on that list…besides maybe 4.

[image] goerz: [image] rdavis120: would prefer to require registered packages to have every exported function and the corresponding arguments and return type to be documented I agree, but this is hard to automate. You can keep an eye on #new-packages-feed on Slack (or Zulip) and leave a b…

For instance, I’d love to be able to simply do Pkg.add_organization( "JuliaMath" ) Organizations could already now publish a wrapper package that reexports all (or at least the best supported) packages in the org. You probably want to exclude experimental ones.

I’m not surprised! All of these defaults are examples I chose because they appeal to the kinds of people who are extremely used to writing Julia, have been using it for a long time (possibly pre-1.0) and post on the Discourse and Slack. I picked them because they’re examples where the opinions of a …

[image] ParadaCarleton: Other examples of poor defaults that are easy to miss when you’re learning Julia: FMA (not default because it could confuse devs if someone ran a computation on a pre-2008 computer) The inability to use positional arguments with keywords (because then, developers wouldn…

[image] ParadaCarleton: Other examples of poor defaults that are easy to miss when you’re learning Julia: FMA (not default because it could confuse devs if someone ran a computation on a pre-2008 computer) That’s not the reason. In a language for people that care about numerics, you aren’…

What steps should the Julia community take to bring Julia to the next level of popularity?

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Tamas_Papp September 4, 2023, 5:30pm 601

I would not worry about this. A variation of this thread seems to happen every month or so.

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