# Stackoverflow's Developer Survey Results for 2017
**URL:** https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847
**Category:** Community
**Created:** [March 23, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847 "2017-03-23T20:27:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@adriano.vilela](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/adriano.vilela)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/1 "2017-03-23T20:27:24Z")
Very nice to see Julia showing up among the most loved languages on Stackoverflow’s Developer Survey Results for 2017:
> **[Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2017](https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=hero&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2017&utm_content=hero-home)**
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> Get insights on the world’s developers from the largest and most comprehensive survey ever. Demographics. Technologies. Salaries. Career satisfaction.
Julia is also well-positioned in the salary vs experience graph:
> **[Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2017](https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=hero&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2017&utm_content=hero-home)**
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> Get insights on the world’s developers from the largest and most comprehensive survey ever. Demographics. Technologies. Salaries. Career satisfaction.
Congratulations to the Julia developers and community!
Cheers,
Adriano
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### Author:  [@fengyang.wang](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/fengyang.wang)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/2 "2017-03-23T21:36:24Z")
The salary self-assessment graph has Julia as a significant outlier
> **[Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2017](https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017?utm_source=so-owned&%3Butm_medium=hero&%3Butm_campaign=dev-survey-2017&%3Butm_content=hero-home)**
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> Get insights on the world’s developers from the largest and most comprehensive survey ever. Demographics. Technologies. Salaries. Career satisfaction.
I wonder if this may simply be a result of small sample size.
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### Author:  [@ChrisRackauckas](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/ChrisRackauckas)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/3 "2017-03-23T21:59:23Z")
I think Julia just makes the job seem too easy to justify the pay 🙂
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### Author:  [@mkborregaard](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mkborregaard)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/4 "2017-03-23T22:09:44Z")
I think it is because julia programmers are naturally modest
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### Author:  [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/5 "2017-03-24T00:44:40Z")
Looking at [the graph of salary/experience](http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=hero&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2017&utm_content=hero-home#work-salary-and-experience-by-language), the Julia respondents (as a whole) are comparative youngsters in the world of professional programming. The same graph shows they are doing rather better than average with income (the larger dots aggregate below Julia). This explains much of Julia in the [graph of salary self-assessment](http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=hero&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2017&utm_content=hero-home#work-salary-self-assessment-by-language).
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### Author:  [@StefanKarpinski](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/StefanKarpinski)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/6 "2017-03-24T02:53:02Z")
Am I reading that graph wrong? Doesn’t it have Julia with the highest fraction who feel overpaid and the lowest percentage who feel underpaid? Wouldn’t the high usage of Julia in financial industries account for that?
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### Author:  [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/7 "2017-03-24T02:57:46Z")
(take 2)
Feeling somewhat underpaid is not exciting. On the other hand – almost all Julia programmers are relatively new to it, and to be doing something exciting while getting well paid is elative. That’s why the Julia respondents as a group have the lowest sense of being underpaid.
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### Author:  [@mkborregaard](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mkborregaard)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 6:52am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/8 "2017-03-24T06:52:34Z")
Are there data on industry use per language? I agree it is a compelling explanation. If you look at the salary per industry, the top 4 looks like below. $(2:4) definitely look like a good fit to julia. But it is hard to glean anything from the other numbers that aren’t affected by the small size of julia’s userbase.
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### Author:  [@Tamas\_Papp](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Tamas_Papp)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 8:42am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/9 "2017-03-24T08:42:04Z")
> [@fengyang.wang](#):
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> I wonder if this may simply be a result of small sample size.
Very likely. It looks like Julia has the smallest sample size in the graph. They don’t even provide a legend for that dot size.
I would be very surprised if the number of developers who are paid to code in Julia at least 70% of their time exceeded a few hundred at this stage (not counting researchers and similar occupations who are paid for some other output but incidentally have to program computers to do it). Then only a fraction of these people are active on StackOverflow, and a fraction of that fill out the survey.
There graphs are fun, but it would be a mistake to read too much into them.
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### Author:  [@mkborregaard](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mkborregaard)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 10:05am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/10 "2017-03-24T10:05:43Z")
Should have put error bars on those plots 🙂
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### Author:  [@slowbrain](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/slowbrain)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/11 "2017-03-24T10:34:38Z")
Julia managed to get into the “Dreaded” list too 🙂 It makes me wonder why…
[http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/?utm\_source=so-owned&utm\_medium=hero&utm\_campaign=dev-survey-2017&utm\_content=hero-home#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted](http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=hero&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2017&utm_content=hero-home#most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted)
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### Author:  [@Steven\_Sagaert](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Steven_Sagaert)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/12 "2017-03-24T11:10:42Z")
Julia is also #1 in slant for best data science language: [https://www.slant.co/topics/4001/~programming-languages-for-data-science](https://www.slant.co/topics/4001/~programming-languages-for-data-science)
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### Author:  [@Tamas\_Papp](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Tamas_Papp)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/13 "2017-03-24T12:38:46Z")
I hope it is not the course, using Julia, that I just finished teaching 😁
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### Author:  [@ScottPJones](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/ScottPJones)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/14 "2017-03-25T14:23:45Z")
I _am_ horribly underpaid at the moment, which is because of working for a European startup (that’s not taking outside funding), not the fault of Julia.
Where Julia comes into the picture is that I’m not looking for higher paying work elsewhere at the moment, which would involve going back to C, C++, or Java, or maybe learning Python more in depth. I value my happiness and sanity too much to do that!
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### Author:  [@ScottPJones](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/ScottPJones)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/15 "2017-03-25T14:28:58Z")
There isn’t even a category that fits me in that survey, AFAICT.
I was the principal architect in the core systems group, but not a developer with statistics or math background.
The categories seem full of jobs that didn’t even exist when I started 😉
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### Author:  [@bkamins](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/bkamins)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/stackoverflows-developer-survey-results-for-2017/2847/16 "2017-06-27T21:02:51Z")
Stack Overflow recently made their source data available. Here is a quick look at who used and wants to use Julia: [R snippets: Julia vs R and Python: what does Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2017 tell us?](http://rsnippets.blogspot.com/2017/06/julia-vs-r-and-python-what-does-stack.html).