# Should someone create a wikipedia page for Jeff?

**URL:** <https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400>\
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**Created:** [September 23, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400 "2018-09-23T22:35:13Z")\
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**Author:** ![djsegal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/djsegal/32/13752_2.png) [@djsegal](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/djsegal)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/1 "2018-09-23T22:35:13Z")

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I mean it’s not my circus, but it seems kind of weird that Jeff’s name doesn’t show up when you google Julia?

 ![35%20PM](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/original/3X/9/3/935e19c8d6a5746c684e90c3b1bf6c1773e57bcf.png)

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**Author:** ![chrisvwx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/chrisvwx/32/45289_2.png) [@chrisvwx](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/chrisvwx)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/2 "2018-09-23T23:20:26Z")

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I think rather than “Wiki” you mean “Wikipedia”.

He had a [page](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeff_Bezanson&oldid=820729673) before Stefan and Viral, but some Wikipedia editor didn’t think he was [worthy and his page was deleted.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jeff_Bezanson). It’s certainly possible for a Wikpedia editor to put a copy of the last version of Jeff’s [last page](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeff_Bezanson&oldid=820729673) in ‘user-space’ where it will not be deleted and keep it up-to-date there. The idea would be to use this user-space page as a place to collect articles that emphasize his notability so that when his page is re-created, we can have a nice long list of articles to support him.

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**Author:** ![Tero\_Frondelius](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/tero_frondelius/32/7629_2.png) [@Tero\_Frondelius](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Tero_Frondelius)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 5:11am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/4 "2018-09-24T05:11:01Z")

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I quickly read the reasoning to remove. Basically wikipedia’s editor needs references. How about github’s git history? Would it be possible to show this not so technical editor how he and everyone can go and check git history? (I don’t know the answer how to do it, just contributing an idea to build forward.)

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**Author:** ![JeffreySarnoff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/jeffreysarnoff/32/1980_2.png) [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:03am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/5 "2018-09-24T06:03:42Z")

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I am drafting a page which should satisfy the editors.

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**Author:** ![waldyrious](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/waldyrious/32/80_2.png) [@waldyrious](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/waldyrious)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:41am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/6 "2018-09-24T06:41:01Z")

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> [@Tero\_Frondelius](#):
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> I quickly read the reasoning to remove. Basically wikipedia’s editor needs references. How about github’s git history? Would it be possible to show this not so technical editor how he and everyone can go and check git history? (I don’t know the answer how to do it, just contributing an idea to build forward.)

References in the Wikipedia context means mostly third-party reliable sources, i.e. publications in well-established media sources, by authors not directly related to the subject. The git history is a primary, self-published source, so its usefulness would be complementary at best; it can’t be used by itself to establish notability.

Notability is roughly equivalent to newsworthiness, and therefore one of the primary criteria used for its assessment is whether a topic has had significant coverage in news and other publications (magazine articles, books, tv programs, and other media with widespread audiences).

Hope that helps! 🙂

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**Author:** ![mschauer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mschauer/32/13946_2.png) [@mschauer](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mschauer)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 7:32am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/7 "2018-09-24T07:32:09Z")

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The discussion about deletion was quite recent (February). With Julia 1.0 there has been a material change not really reflected in that discussion, but I would just wait maybe half a year or more before attempting to reopen it (think of asking to reopen an issue which was settled without consensus and the reaction this will receive.)

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**Author:** ![Tamas\_Papp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/tamas_papp/32/25949_2.png) [@Tamas\_Papp](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Tamas_Papp)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 7:58am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/8 "2018-09-24T07:58:13Z")

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> [@mschauer](#):
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> I would just wait maybe half a year or more before attempting to reopen it

I would perhaps wait for Jeff’s reaction about this. I don’t know him personally, but I would not take it as a given that he wants his own wikipedia page. IMO having one does not correlate with achievement or professional recognition; many people I respect deeply who are well-known in their field don’t have a page, and at the same time ephemeral celebrities and transient cultural phenomena are described at length.

Having his name redirect to the Julia language, as it works now, displays something great that he had a crucial role in creating.

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**Author:** ![mschauer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mschauer/32/13946_2.png) [@mschauer](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mschauer)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/9 "2018-09-24T08:17:25Z")

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FYI, I am not advocating to recreate the article, just giving advice on the timing. But Viral was vocally supporting to keep the article, I presume that this is an indication that an article would be welcome. But you are right, [Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy) is a general point.

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**Author:** ![JeffreySarnoff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/jeffreysarnoff/32/1980_2.png) [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/10 "2018-09-24T08:51:11Z")

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Jeff has final edit (including right of refusal). I have sent him a private message.

I am not going to try to resubmit the same page. That version did not work out.

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**Author:** ![JeffreySarnoff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/jeffreysarnoff/32/1980_2.png) [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)\
**Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/11 "2021-06-08T19:53:51Z")

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@logankilpatrick and others  
At the time, I did submit this to Wikipedia – got comments, resubmitted.  
When a submission is received, an available person is assigned and that assignment is (was?) sticky – I got someone who proved unhelpful. I cannot resubmit into a different process. It is a shame.

> _Anyone else can and get a different process_  
> Please do! (contact me first for lessons learned).

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**Author:** ![logankilpatrick](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/logankilpatrick/32/38123_2.png) [@logankilpatrick](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/logankilpatrick)\
**Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/12 "2021-06-08T23:52:29Z")

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Is this in reference to the JuliaCon post I made?

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**Author:** ![JeffreySarnoff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/jeffreysarnoff/32/1980_2.png) [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/13 "2021-06-09T00:05:14Z")

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Not really, discourse said you “liked” this thread recently. That prompted me to clarify it.

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**Author:** ![ImreSamu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/imresamu/32/20677_2.png) [@ImreSamu](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/ImreSamu)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/14 "2021-07-03T16:39:29Z")

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based on ~ [_no one is a prophet in his own country_](https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-no-one-is-a-prophet-in-ones-own-country)

Let’s create a wikipage in other languages (es, de, pt, …)

- fr:wiki : [Jeff Bezanson — Wikipédia](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezanson) ✅

Wikidata :

- [Jeff Bezanson - Wikidata](https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20630572)

Question: Jeff Bezanson’s [“Erdős number (P2021)”](https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2021) = **4 ?**

- ( Calculated from [Alan Edelman - Wikidata](https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14491910) “Erdős Number” + 1 )

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**Author:** ![JeffreySarnoff](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/jeffreysarnoff/32/1980_2.png) [@JeffreySarnoff](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/JeffreySarnoff)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/should-someone-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-jeff/15400/15 "2021-07-04T19:41:06Z")

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That is savvy. With a few more languages with a wikipedia page, I could revisit the English version using this new evidence of appropriateness.

It is easy to autotranslate by e.g. going to [google translate](http://translate.google.com), selecting French as the source language and selecting the desired language target and then copy+pasting this text into the Text Box

[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff\_Bezanson](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezanson)

then using one’s own languge expertise cleaning up the copy  
@ImreSamu, I and others can provide guidance about the moving from clean copy to wiki input (which creates the content in the target language), checking and then submitting the page