# Is Julia’s destiny in the creative industry and building the virtual world?

**URL:** <https://discourse.julialang.org/t/is-julia-s-destiny-in-the-creative-industry-and-building-the-virtual-world/106675>\
**Category:** Offtopic\
**Created:** [November 24, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/is-julia-s-destiny-in-the-creative-industry-and-building-the-virtual-world/106675 "2023-11-24T13:03:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![jules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/41988e/32.png) [@jules](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/jules)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2023, 6:27am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/is-julia-s-destiny-in-the-creative-industry-and-building-the-virtual-world/106675/21 "2023-11-26T06:27:34Z")

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My point was more that sometimes people are frustrated when they get no or negative feedback for posting their big ideas, because they think they are contributing a valuable thing. But in my opinion, coming up with big ideas is usually the easier part and bringing them to fruition the harder one. Discussions about completely inactionable things are bound to be unsatisfactory, I’ve found it more fulfilling to go and add small but concrete things to the ant hill we’re all building together.

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**Author:** ![ParadaCarleton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/paradacarleton/32/20005_2.png) [@ParadaCarleton](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/ParadaCarleton)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/is-julia-s-destiny-in-the-creative-industry-and-building-the-virtual-world/106675/22 "2023-11-27T21:09:32Z")

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> [@jules](#):
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> My point was more that sometimes people are frustrated when they get no or negative feedback for posting their big ideas, because they think they are contributing a valuable thing. But in my opinion, coming up with big ideas is usually the easier part and bringing them to fruition the harder one. Discussions about completely inactionable things are bound to be unsatisfactory, I’ve found it more fulfilling to go and add small but concrete things to the ant hill we’re all building together.

It’s perfectly reasonable to not get any feedback on a proposal, if people don’t think it’s useful to comment until the user puts up a PR. (I’ve noticed this is the main response to new proposals on the Python discourse.) The problem is feedback for proposals on the Discourse is overwhelmingly negative (regardless of the proposal), often snarky or rude, and is sometimes even comes from people who clearly didn’t even read the original post. I think I’ve seen this maybe once or twice on the Python discourse, and both times it was quickly removed by a moderator and resulted in a warning.

> [@Benny](#):
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> Requests seem more suitable as PRs, brainstorming suitable for discourse threads. Even then, rejecting PRs a team can’t agree on is reasonable in a collaborative environment; no project can be cohesive if every request is implemented by default.

I don’t disagree in theory. In practice, we have situations like [this](https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/24990) where a PR for a widely-requested feature has been stalled on a single implementation detail for 7 years, despite overwhelming support (172 likes vs. 4 dislikes).

Sure, language features shouldn’t be implemented if most people disapprove of them. Maybe the standard should even be higher than a simple majority. But if even these kinds of proposals can’t get merged, I’m honestly just not going to bother wasting my time on a PR that’s almost guaranteed to be rejected, unless the core devs have given a very positive response to the proposal on the Discourse.

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**Author:** ![adienes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/adienes/32/37459_2.png) [@adienes](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/adienes)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/is-julia-s-destiny-in-the-creative-industry-and-building-the-virtual-world/106675/23 "2023-11-27T21:18:29Z")

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> [@ParadaCarleton](#):
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> single implementation detail

I don’t think that is an accurate characterization

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**Author:** ![mbauman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mbauman/32/31082_2.png) [@mbauman](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/mbauman)\
**Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/is-julia-s-destiny-in-the-creative-industry-and-building-the-virtual-world/106675/24 "2023-11-28T14:14:52Z")

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This is quite the open-ended topic whose subsequent discussion is quite unfocused.

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