# How did we get here? (Why is Julia such a messy language?)

**URL:** <https://discourse.julialang.org/t/how-did-we-get-here-why-is-julia-such-a-messy-language/118839>\
**Category:** Internals & Design\
**Created:** [August 31, 2024, 11:57am UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/how-did-we-get-here-why-is-julia-such-a-messy-language/118839 "2024-08-31T11:57:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![Mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/mason/32/2423_2.png) [@Mason](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/Mason)\
**Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/how-did-we-get-here-why-is-julia-such-a-messy-language/118839/7 "2024-08-31T12:59:50Z")

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Maybe just as preemptive reminder, I’ll post this:

> [@Avoiding unnecessary engagement in pointless arguments](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/avoiding-unnecessary-engagement-in-pointless-arguments/99973):
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> It’s an essentially unavoidable fact that people will come to this forum and make confident statements or demands that reasonable people who are experienced in the language strongly disagree with. These people will sometimes (but not always!) do this in a nasty and unfriendly way. I understand that it is highly tempting to want to give your own personal perspective and weigh in on the issue, and that is valuable, but I would urge people to exercise restraint in doing so when several other peopl…

TLDR: it’s fine to have discussions like this, and it’s fine to disagree with the OP and tell them why you disagree, but lets please try and avoid turning this into a big argument of one person against twenty separate people all at once.

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