Discussion on "Why I no longer recommend Julia" by Yuri Vishnevsky

I get this completely. Honestly, I find contributing to Julia packages very unrewarding in most cases except for a few. Due to this, I think that few people actually have the chance to learn and grow into becoming a great software developer/maintainer.

Contributing is often unrewarding because if the PR is not good enough, it is ignored or feedback is given in one sentence. You could have spent multiple hours trying to do your best on something and all you get back is two thumbs down and a “Doesn’t work. Will fail when X”. At the same time, many repositories have CI now disabled by default for new contributors and reviewers don’t often spent a few minutes on actually modifying the PR if it is at 80%. This disabled CI and having to fix minor styling issues is a tremendous waste of time for the person who opens a PR. Nobody likes to spend 30 minutes on a style change, then wait 24 hours to get CI approved, spend 30 minutes fixing a Windows 32-bit problem, wait 24 hours for another review comment and spend 30 minutes on fixing a minor detail. I don’t get this. Re-reading a PR again and again is also a waste of effort for the reviewer. Allowing newcomers to run CI automatically takes 1 minute once if you know where to find the setting.

Why not take the following as the guideline for merging: If the PR is an improvement over the current state or can be easily reverted, then merge or finish it and merge. This would motivate newcomers much more. Chris Rackauckas already does this and I don’t understand why this isn’t the main philosophy under reviewers.

And, yeah, sure. I admit that I have submitted some terrible PRs, created terrible packages and terrible issues. I should have spent much more time on some PRs to think about things and what not. In my defense, let’s bring in the quote from Michael Jordan:

I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.

So, let’s all try to be more supportive of people who open terrible PRs or issues. Let’s support them to try again, so that they can succeed.

EDIT: Tim Holy posted some insight on why reviewing PRs is not as easy as it may sound: Improving the Julia issue tracker - #4 by tim.holy.

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