# Discussion on "Why I no longer recommend Julia" by Yuri Vishnevsky

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**Created:** [May 16, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/discussion-on-why-i-no-longer-recommend-julia-by-yuri-vishnevsky/81151 "2022-05-16T14:33:38Z")\
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> [@mohamed82008](#):
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> For the comparison to be fair, I think people should consider the bugs per funding ratio for similar packages across programming languages.

It is mindblowingly what the community has accomplished given the number of developers. But being more efficient doesn’t do you much good if you are massively outgunned and with clearer maintenance continuity. `OffsetArrays` is the wrong package to criticize here because it isn’t “really” necessary . Others are.

> [@mohamed82008](#):
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> The second problem we have as a community is over-hyping and “too much marketing” in the sense that we like to claim things just work.

100%, and people get burnt - especially with AD. Some things work as advertised and are state-of-the art (e.g. SciML, JuMP, and a variety of smaller packages if you know where to find them). Others are an enormous hole chipping away at longterm usage (e.g. machine learning packages, even for niche use like scientific machine learning let alone standard ML stuff). More and more I find myself using Python frameworks because the deep-learning environment is much less infuriating and full-featured. This has nothing to do with Julia as a language, but in practice I am unlikely to switch back for those applications.

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