# A Plea for Bit-Twiddlers! (please keep ! as logical negation, separate from bitwise negation!)

**URL:** <https://discourse.julialang.org/t/a-plea-for-bit-twiddlers-please-keep-as-logical-negation-separate-from-bitwise-negation/8297>\
**Category:** Internals & Design\
**Created:** [January 11, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/a-plea-for-bit-twiddlers-please-keep-as-logical-negation-separate-from-bitwise-negation/8297 "2018-01-11T21:56:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![ScottPJones](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/julialang/user_avatar/discourse.julialang.org/scottpjones/32/146_2.png) [@ScottPJones](https://discourse.julialang.org/u/ScottPJones)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/a-plea-for-bit-twiddlers-please-keep-as-logical-negation-separate-from-bitwise-negation/8297/37 "2018-01-12T22:28:21Z")

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Folks - let me know what you feel about my proposal, consolidated from other’s ideas here and on GitHub, and join in the Tomatina (a festival in Spain of throwing tomatos) 😀.

> [@A Modest Proposal (for !, &, | and ~)](https://discourse.julialang.org/t/a-modest-proposal-for-and/8330):
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> Here is my combination of a lot of other people’s ideas and a few of my own into what I believe is a rather consistent proposal, that would meet everybody’s needs and desires (at least, so far as not go much against other people’s). First off, I think that the one real invariant I’ve seen for the use of ! in computer languages, is that the result is a boolean (or whatever the accepted values for true/false are, i.e. t and (), or 1 and 0, or true and false, etc.). I guess that’s why making ! t…

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